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Interesting point, Litwinski – but therein lies the rub. It’s part of human character that flaws endear themselves to us. The closer you get to perfection, the closer you get to boredom and indifference. Even though I do respect their quality of manufacture and sometimes engineering too, Japanese cars absolutely bore me. – Paul who was out today smiling in his very unboring but also very imperfect ‘65 4 speed 454ci Corvette Sting Ray and his ‘01 6 speed A6 2.7T .
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You sir, are the voice of reason and good sense. Anyone who thinks that > Audis are as reliable as Toyotas, Lexi, Hondas, Acuras, or Infinitis is just > plain wrong. Not to say they are "bad" or not "good", just not as good. > Audis do have advantages in other areas, however, as well know. God help > Audi, M-B, and BMW if the Japanese ever decide to make their cars really fun > to drive, though. > – GRL > "It’s good to want things." > Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist, > Visual Basic programmer) > This thread only proves that love is blind. Audis are consistently rated > as > trouble prone and less reliable than other cars, German or otherwise. > That’s > not to say there aren’t trouble free Audis on the road. When making > thousands of cars, some will turn out pretty good just from the odds. > Still, there’s always somebody here every month, who just got a great deal > on a 2 year old Audi. Within the first few months of ownership, they’re > complaining about the number of thousand-dollar-plus repairs they’ve been > forced to make. > If you and your mechanic do a really good job on maintenance, you’re far > less likely to have problems. People who trade-in two year old Audis often > aren’t good about maintenance – what do they care, they’re trading in. > Another problem is that some Audi dealers just aren’t very good in the > service area. I tried another dealer in January, who massively overfilled > the engine oil. Had I not caught this right off, it would have caused > problems down the road. > The bottom line is if you really want to take that Audi, be sure you’ve > budgeted time and money for repairs. If you don’t end up having problems, > take it as icing on the cake. If you absolutely can’t afford to deal with > problems, get your deposit back. > That’s my opinion. FWIW… > Randy > ‘01 A4Q
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Trust me…you’ll enjoy the S4. I do. =) Elroy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thanks for all the wonderful input. >I am excited about the S4 and am going ahead with my purchase. I own an MB >and have had mostly all German cars and Volvo, so I know about maintenance. >Actually I have had a hard time with holding off on frequent maintenance on >my latest MB. It had an oil change sensor which seems to require an oil >change about every 12,000 miles. I have always been religous about Service >every 3,000 to 5,000 miles so that kind of time is difficult for me to get >used to. >All your input was very helpful. Thanks a lot! > This thread only proves that love is blind. Audis are consistently rated >as > trouble prone and less reliable than other cars, German or otherwise. >That’s > not to say there aren’t trouble free Audis on the road. When making > thousands of cars, some will turn out pretty good just from the odds. > Still, there’s always somebody here every month, who just got a great deal > on a 2 year old Audi. Within the first few months of ownership, they’re > complaining about the number of thousand-dollar-plus repairs they’ve been > forced to make. > If you and your mechanic do a really good job on maintenance, you’re far > less likely to have problems. People who trade-in two year old Audis often > aren’t good about maintenance – what do they care, they’re trading in. > Another problem is that some Audi dealers just aren’t very good in the > service area. I tried another dealer in January, who massively overfilled > the engine oil. Had I not caught this right off, it would have caused > problems down the road. > The bottom line is if you really want to take that Audi, be sure you’ve > budgeted time and money for repairs. If you don’t end up having problems, > take it as icing on the cake. If you absolutely can’t afford to deal with > problems, get your deposit back. > That’s my opinion. FWIW… > Randy > ‘01 A4Q
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You sir, are the voice of reason and good sense. Anyone who thinks that Audis are as reliable as Toyotas, Lexi, Hondas, Acuras, or Infinitis is just plain wrong. Not to say they are "bad" or not "good", just not as good. Audis do have advantages in other areas, however, as well know. God help Audi, M-B, and BMW if the Japanese ever decide to make their cars really fun to drive, though. – GRL "It’s good to want things." Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist, Visual Basic programmer)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This thread only proves that love is blind. Audis are consistently rated as > trouble prone and less reliable than other cars, German or otherwise. That’s > not to say there aren’t trouble free Audis on the road. When making > thousands of cars, some will turn out pretty good just from the odds. > Still, there’s always somebody here every month, who just got a great deal > on a 2 year old Audi. Within the first few months of ownership, they’re > complaining about the number of thousand-dollar-plus repairs they’ve been > forced to make. > If you and your mechanic do a really good job on maintenance, you’re far > less likely to have problems. People who trade-in two year old Audis often > aren’t good about maintenance – what do they care, they’re trading in. > Another problem is that some Audi dealers just aren’t very good in the > service area. I tried another dealer in January, who massively overfilled > the engine oil. Had I not caught this right off, it would have caused > problems down the road. > The bottom line is if you really want to take that Audi, be sure you’ve > budgeted time and money for repairs. If you don’t end up having problems, > take it as icing on the cake. If you absolutely can’t afford to deal with > problems, get your deposit back. > That’s my opinion. FWIW… > Randy > ‘01 A4Q
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Mine is not perfect, but I didn’t have many problems yet: broken water pump, suspension bushings, ignition key coil (twice). I’m happy. — Best regards. Giovanni Tarantino Switzerland ‘97 Audi A4 2.8 Q 202,000 km (124,000 miles) ‘97 BMW 535i 183,000 km (109,000 miles)
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Ron sd <snip> You will quickly come running back to Audi, shut the door on an audi and it sounds great, mitsibushi,suburu,proton there all the same, just not built solidly. Um, ya, but on my friend w/ the 200K miles corolla has never replaced a door handle…I can’t listen to the sound of my car’s door close if I can’t open it 
— Dave Arkle DoD #11011 96 Triumph Daytona 1200 – Brit Brute 90 Yamaha FZR400 – TrackDog 84 Honda V65 Sabre – TourMaster 87 Audi 5KTQ – Money Pit 67 Buick LeSabre – For Sale
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> I had a test drive last week, and couldn’t leave the dealer without > placing an order! I waited whilst the order was keyed into the > computer and it was immediatly allocated a build date of week 17. I > anticipate being able to take deliver towards the end of May, but I’m > not sure that I can survive that long! 
How much is that beauty in the UK?
Wolf*the lease for my current A6 runs out end of this year*gang
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> Peter Bell wrote re. RS6: > How much is that beauty in the UK?
List price for the Avant is GBP58,800 – but the spec is almost certainly different to the standard spec in Germany. With just a couple of extras, mine is almost GBP61,000. —
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>> I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. > I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He > was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter > who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go > into the shop more often than other cars. > Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General. >No problems here. >I have just ordered my third Audi (an RS6) and my wife also drives an >Audi.
Hate hate hate hate hate!! I just picked up my S4, so I should be a little less envious…but that RS6….UGH!! What a machine! Congrats!!!!! Try not to go crazy while waiting for it. Elroy the S4 Impaler – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The only one which has been into the workshop for anything other than >routine maintenance was my first, an A4, which had one fuel injector >replaced. The car was just out of warranty at the time, but it was >fixed foc, as a goodwill gesture.
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Thanks for all the wonderful input. I am excited about the S4 and am going ahead with my purchase. I own an MB and have had mostly all German cars and Volvo, so I know about maintenance. Actually I have had a hard time with holding off on frequent maintenance on my latest MB. It had an oil change sensor which seems to require an oil change about every 12,000 miles. I have always been religous about Service every 3,000 to 5,000 miles so that kind of time is difficult for me to get used to. All your input was very helpful. Thanks a lot!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This thread only proves that love is blind. Audis are consistently rated as > trouble prone and less reliable than other cars, German or otherwise. That’s > not to say there aren’t trouble free Audis on the road. When making > thousands of cars, some will turn out pretty good just from the odds. > Still, there’s always somebody here every month, who just got a great deal > on a 2 year old Audi. Within the first few months of ownership, they’re > complaining about the number of thousand-dollar-plus repairs they’ve been > forced to make. > If you and your mechanic do a really good job on maintenance, you’re far > less likely to have problems. People who trade-in two year old Audis often > aren’t good about maintenance – what do they care, they’re trading in. > Another problem is that some Audi dealers just aren’t very good in the > service area. I tried another dealer in January, who massively overfilled > the engine oil. Had I not caught this right off, it would have caused > problems down the road. > The bottom line is if you really want to take that Audi, be sure you’ve > budgeted time and money for repairs. If you don’t end up having problems, > take it as icing on the cake. If you absolutely can’t afford to deal with > problems, get your deposit back. > That’s my opinion. FWIW… > Randy > ‘01 A4Q
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> I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. > I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He > was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter > who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go > into the shop more often than other cars. > Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General. > Thanks
Better experience with my ‘86 4000 CS quattro than my ‘98 A4 2.8 quattro. My old car went through the usual brakes and rotors, and after about 80 K miles developed power window failures, power sunroof failure, water pump failure, alternator failure and broken door handle levers. After 110K miles: radiator, clutch. Engine and drive train were bullet proof and I sold it with 160K miles. The A4 had a couple of serious problems under warranty: AC fan motor and clutch release bearing at 20K miles. The latter was defective and not due to my driving. Just past the warranty, a coolant temperature sensor died. Now, there’s an oil leak that I’m looking into (58K miles). The latter is apparently common. I haven’t had the dreaded control arm problem but that’s probably because I live in a dry climate (Arizona). I still think my A4 is the best looking 4 dr sedan of the past decade. Sorry, the new one is a disappointment. The quattro is great and the handling feels very secure. I’ve never cared for the feel of the clutch. My next car is unlikely to be an Audi – I’m keeping my eye on the new RX-8.
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You cannot really compare German cars to Japanese cars in this field. German cars are more average, while Japanese cars never seem to need any maintenance whatsoever. They just go and go forever. Nothing can really beat Japanese cars in reliability and total car economy, I think. Audis do need a lot of attention, just like BMWs or MBs do, and they might be pretty expensive to maintain sometimes, I am sorry to say. But luckily, this has not been my personal experience so far, anyway. Knock on wood!! I drive a 1999 A6Q sedan myself, and have only had good experiences with it so far, sure hope that this will be the case in the future, too, but you can really never tell. My next car just might be another Audi, but chances are good for a Subaru Legacy or Impreza WRX AWD, too – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. > I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He > was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter > who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go > into the shop more often than other cars. > Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General. > Thanks
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>I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. >I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He >was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter >who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go >into the shop more often than other cars. >Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General.
Full disclosure: – the stalk-mounted cruise control switch was DOA when the car was delivered new, dealer shop replaced it same day within a half hour. If it had happened after the first day I would likely have never noticed it because I never ever use cruise, but I was verifying everything worked that first day – almost two years later the dealer shop replaced the Symphony/Bose head when I merely mentioned I saw the display blink a couple of times, took about 15 minutes total. Dealer gets snaps for that. – and they replaced the two fog lamps when they expired (separately). Otherwise it has only been in the shop for the regularly scheduled oil & vinegar changes. The car is simply awesome… /daytripper ‘00 S4 6spd
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> I have just ordered my third Audi (an RS6)
^^^^^^ <envymode> Argglllllllllhhhcrcchhh. </envymode> Wolfgang
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> > I have just ordered my third Audi (an RS6) > ^^^^^^ > <envymode> > Argglllllllllhhhcrcchhh. > </envymode>
Ah, sorry. You can be even more envious when I get it. I had a test drive last week, and couldn’t leave the dealer without placing an order! I waited whilst the order was keyed into the computer and it was immediatly allocated a build date of week 17. I anticipate being able to take deliver towards the end of May, but I’m not sure that I can survive that long! —
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> I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. > I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He > was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter > who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go > into the shop more often than other cars. > Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General.
No problems here. I have just ordered my third Audi (an RS6) and my wife also drives an Audi. The only one which has been into the workshop for anything other than routine maintenance was my first, an A4, which had one fuel injector replaced. The car was just out of warranty at the time, but it was fixed foc, as a goodwill gesture. —
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Have you ever seen the dash in a Suburu, You will quickly come running back to Audi, shut the door on an audi and it sounds great, mitsibushi,suburu,proton there all the same, just not built solidly. IMO the only jap that comes close to an audi is a Lexus, and Toyota’s are ok. I used to work For Lexus/Toyota and the GS300 and LS400 are amazing quality with bulletproof engines — Ronny www.fsplanes.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You cannot really compare German cars to Japanese cars in this field. > German cars are more average, while Japanese cars never seem to need any > maintenance whatsoever. They just go and go forever. Nothing can > really beat Japanese cars in reliability and total car economy, I think. > Audis do need a lot of attention, just like BMWs or MBs do, and they might > be pretty expensive to maintain sometimes, I am sorry to say. But > luckily, this has not been my personal experience so far, anyway. Knock > on wood!! I drive a 1999 A6Q sedan myself, and have only had good > experiences with it so far, sure hope that this will be the case in the > future, too, but you can really never tell. My next car just might be > another Audi, but chances are good for a Subaru Legacy or Impreza WRX AWD, > too > I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. > I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. > He > was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has > cusomter > who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to > go > into the shop more often than other cars. > Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General. > Thanks
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I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go into the shop more often than other cars. Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General. Thanks
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> I have a deposit down at a dealer on an 2001 Audi S4 with 13K miles. > I was speaking with someone I know who deals in higher end German Cars. He > was sort of warning me about Audi’s. In particular he says he has cusomter > who are generally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go > into the shop more often than other cars. > Please tell me what kinds of experiences you have with Audis in General. > Thanks
Well mines never been to the shop since I bought it
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>enerally looking to get out of their Audis because they have to go >into the shop more often than other cars.
I have a 1993 Audi 100CS that has 191k miles on it. I have had no problems with this car other than normal wear and tear, ie, water pump, struts, brakes, and tires. It has been a great car for me. My father has had an Audi since 1974 and he has yet to have one that was horrible from a service standpoint. I am buying a 1999 A6 on Monday and am looking for an A4 for my wife. My experiences may be different than others but I have been very satisfied with the Audi I have or I would not be buying another. I wish that I could afford and rationalize an S4, but not for the time being. Hope it works out well for you. Tom Scanlon Account Executive Toshiba America Medical Systems Mpls., MN
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